Agent Network EP4 - Autonomous Builders
The Spaces gathered builders across the agent ecosystem to examine the shift from AI assistants to autonomous builders and what it takes to support them. Hosted by K6 (UB Protocol), the discussion featured Conviction (Invoica), Sawyer (Scale Labs), Philip (Crossmint), Dom Jay/Austin (Astate Cloud), Adam/Jake (Emblem; merging Agent Hustle), Bum (Zona Agent), Vlad (Auto Incentive), Wasim (QuickSync/Stage X), Nova Wallet, and Vicky Ra. Themes included: agent‑native infrastructure (programmatic access, pay‑per‑use compute), payment rails (credit cards, X402/agent payments, on‑chain settlement), confidentiality/privacy, horizontal scaling, observability, and developer/agent tooling. Invoica showcased a fully agent‑built product (49 sprints, ~94% acceptance, ~$200 API cost), while SKALE emphasized agent‑created chains and confidential transactions. Crossmint highlighted all‑in‑one web3 rails and Lobster Cash; Astate Cloud stressed compute elasticity and cost efficiency; Emblem urged realism—agents amplify great devs and UX must be invisible; Zona called for analytics on agent‑agent interactions and introduced Orbit; Auto Incentive detailed real bottlenecks (APIs, RPCs, facilitators) and the need for redundancy; QuickSync presented privacy workspaces; Nova Wallet probed permissioned non‑custodial agents. The group converged on the need for coordinated tooling, privacy, scaling and collaboration to make autonomous builders viable.
Agent Network Ep.4 — Autonomous Builders: Infra, Tooling, Ecosystems
Session format and participants
- Host: K6 (Alex) from UB Protocol, running a structured, multi‑segment discussion. Twitter Spaces had technical issues; Stage X used in parallel. Plan to move future shows fully to Stage X once recording is enabled.
- Projects and speakers (names used for attribution):
- Invoica — Conviction (aka Skingen)
- SKALE Network — Sawyer (VP Developer Success)
- Crossmint — Philip (DevRel Lead)
- Ace Data Cloud — Dom J (Marketing & Community)
- Zona Agent — Bum (Developer)
- Auto Incentive — Vlad (Developer)
- Nova (Nova Wallet/Nova Shield) — team rep (wallet/agents R&D)
- Quicksync (Stage X) — Wasim (Founder)
- Emblem (merging Agent Hustle + Emblem Vault) — Adam (with Jake)
- Community builder/consumer perspective — Vicky Ra (Zala AI influencer, Solo Samantha call‑center agent; now building Agent Mondial)
K6 also shared UB Protocol updates (SDKs, SAP, campaign) and moderated a final rapid‑prediction round.
Big picture framing from the host
- Agents are moving from assistants to builders. The near‑term opportunity lies in infra, tooling, and coordination layers that enable agents to safely use tools, compose services, transact, and ship usable software/products.
- Builders should collaborate to fill clear gaps (reputation, privacy, payments, compute, observability) before attempting end‑to‑end stacks.
- UB Protocol updates
- SDK releases: 2.00, 2.01, 2.02; SAP (Agents connectivity layer within UB SDK — first adopters include Zona); Synapse integration.
- Developer campaign: >$4,000 in rewards (including up to 9 months of paid RPC plans) for SDK contributions/improvements. Submissions reviewed by the UB team.
- Observed pain: API abuse and reliability; suggests safeguards (e.g., Zorf‑style endpoint checks), receipts/verifiability on‑chain.
- Platform operations: Persistent Spaces bugs; Stage X proved more reliable. Plan for Episode 5 to be a Stage X livestream simulcast to X.
Project overviews (concise attribution; details used later in analysis)
- Invoica (Conviction): “Financial OS for AI agents” — export‑to‑invoice middleware for agents to programmatically create, send, track, and settle invoices via X402; on‑chain payments on Base and Polygon. Ships TS SDK (15–50 modules), Node/Express backend, Next.js dashboard, Terraform infra. Built entirely by an agent swarm (CEO/CTO controllers, code supervisors, 8 coding agents) across ~49 sprints, ~94% acceptance; 7–10 days to production, ~$200 API cost.
- SKALE (Sawyer): EVM network of blockchains oriented to agentic scale. Agents can spin up their own SKALE chains via contracts; confidentiality (confidential tokens and conditional transactions with encrypted on‑chain data); horizontal scaling for effectively infinite compute/blockspace.
- Crossmint (Philip): All‑in‑one web3 integration (wallet SDKs/APIs, on‑ramps, money movement). Building Lobster Cash to showcase agent wallets and payments (credit card via Visa’s Intelligent Commerce Platform and X402‑style transactions).
- Ace Data Cloud (Dom J): Unified AI infrastructure platform. Single API key for hundreds of models (chat, image, video, audio, etc.) with pay‑per‑use credits (no subscriptions). Targets agentic compute needs: programmatic, predictable, scalable, cost‑efficient.
- Zona Agent (Bum): Agent on X402 focused on content generation (image/video/audio) and on‑chain signaling; building Orbit, a platform for onboarding humans to create/deploy agents and plug skills/services; early adopter of UB’s SAP and Synapse features.
- Auto Incentive (Vlad): Brings web2 companies to web3 via custom AI/agent/automation products. Built facilitators on three chains (incl. SKALE), agent‑accessible endpoints, X402 payment rails.
- Nova Wallet/Nova Shield: Exploring agentic strategies: permissioning non‑custodial wallets for agents; smooth/developer‑friendly toolsets; trust expectations; advantage of emotionless execution in trading.
- Quicksync / Stage X (Wasim): Privacy‑oriented workspaces (think Google Workspace but private UX) + Stage X livestreaming platform purpose‑built for crypto communities (interactive Q&A, trade the discussed token live, etc.). Also Quicksync.me (WeTransfer/Google Docs alternative).
- Emblem (Adam, with Jake): Emblem Vault (2016) merging with Agent Hustle under Emblem brand. Emblem Terminal: AI terminal for builders/creators/traders; multi‑chain autonomous trading (BTC, Solana, Ethereum, etc.), agent wallet, skills directory, CLI; soon: code crypto apps directly in terminal.
- Vicky Ra (consumer/builder): Ran early consumer agents (Zala AI influencer livestreams; Solo Samantha call‑center agent). Now building Agent Mondial (LLM‑powered football game) to test agent competence in real‑time physics scenarios.
Segment 2 — Common questions and synthesized perspectives
1) Are autonomous builders a real shift in how software gets developed?
- Broad agreement: Yes, the shift is real and underway.
- SKALE (Sawyer): The shift started around Dec; agent‑built codebases are live now; planning infra/resources with that future in mind.
- Ace Data Cloud (Dom): Software creation becomes dynamic: agents plan/execute tasks, call APIs, and continuously interact with infra/models/data.
- Crossmint (Philip): Personal dev throughput is way up; POCs in hours vs days; company‑scale remains challenging but trajectory is compelling.
- Auto Incentive (Vlad): For now, the shift is primarily in speed; quality still depends on good prompts/specs/architects.
- Zona (Bum): “Autonomous” still requires human control/monitoring; devs should design skills/SDKs for agents first, not humans.
- Emblem (Adam): Agents enhance great developers; they don’t replace them today. Great builders get 10–20x; weak builders become faster at producing poor results.
- Host (K6): Shares the “assistive” view — human orchestration remains necessary for now.
2) What part of the agent infrastructure stack is most missing today?
- Invoica (Conviction): Reputation, security/safety/privacy, and cost optimization.
- SKALE (Sawyer): Agent‑native infra, especially confidentiality/privacy on public ledgers, plus efficient, agent‑controlled blockspace.
- Crossmint (Philip): We’re early; nearly every layer can be improved; dev/agent experience (DX/AX) matters as much as functionality.
- Ace Data Cloud (Dom): Programmatic, pay‑per‑use AI compute (vs dashboards/subscriptions). Agents need predictable, automatic access.
- Emblem (Adam): Which payment rails/settlement primitives will win? (native crypto, stables, Visa rails, agent‑specific chains?) Network effects likely crown a small set of winners.
- Zona (Bum): Network analytics/telemetry for agent‑to‑agent commerce — what services/skills are being used, how agents connect, usage statistics.
- Auto Incentive (Vlad): Protocols for agent discovery and inter‑agent communication/coordination.
- Nova: Safe, smooth permissioning workflows for non‑custodial wallets to delegate bounded powers to agents, plus trust UX.
3) How important is tooling for autonomous development? What should it look like?
- Universal: Tooling is critical.
- Invoica (Conviction): Choose tools based on value to the agent’s workflow; design how agents will use them.
- SKALE (Sawyer): Beyond DX and UX, we need AX (Agentic Experience) — tools that minimize token overconsumption, provide guardrails, resist prompt injection, and offer step‑wise guidance.
- Crossmint (Philip): Tooling is a key “unlock” — without it, production agents aren’t viable.
- Ace Data Cloud (Dom): Tooling orchestrates; compute platforms supply reasoning/generation; both layers must be agent‑accessible and reliable.
- Emblem (Adam): Tooling must become invisible to humans; agents discover and use best‑of‑breed skills autonomously.
- Zona (Bum): Publish skills/SDKs for agents (e.g., Skill.md) so agents can install/execute autonomously; Orbit focuses on agent‑first packaging.
- Auto Incentive (Vlad): Tools matter, but customization to the agent’s purpose is equally important.
4) If millions of agents start building continuously, what breaks first?
- Invoica (Conviction): Loss of swarm control — compounded agent errors, prompt injection risks; need strong feedback loops, QA, testing.
- SKALE (Sawyer): Monolithic chains and public confidentiality break first; horizontal scaling and privacy‑by‑design are essential.
- Crossmint (Philip): Humans become the bottleneck (e.g., code reviews); with the right tooling the growth becomes exponential.
- Ace Data Cloud (Dom): Compute access and cost; subscription‑style platforms will struggle; pay‑per‑use infra scales better.
- Emblem (Adam): Backend infra fails before chains; today even 1k concurrent real users would strain many stacks. Also, keep adoption realistic (e.g., Banker’s DAU ~150–250).
- Zona (Bum): Reliability/cost under high request rates (model rate limits, inference cost management), and consistent outputs for consuming agents.
- Auto Incentive (Vlad): Everything can break under load — APIs, RPC endpoints, facilitators, payment gateways, even blockchains. Practical mitigation: multi‑provider redundancy and collaboration.
- Host (K6): For UB’s agent receipts/verification, L1 throughput becomes a bottleneck if every action is on‑chain; must architect for scale.
5) What are you building that helps solve these challenges?
- Invoica (Conviction): Agent‑programmable invoicing middleware (X402), on‑chain settlement (Base/Polygon), full SDK/back‑office/infra — built by an agent swarm to prove feasibility.
- SKALE (Sawyer): Agent‑creatable SKALE chains (infinite horizontal scaling), confidential tokens/transactions, and privacy‑first on‑chain compute.
- Crossmint (Philip): Wallet SDKs/APIs, onramps, unified money movement; Lobster Cash for agent payments (cards via Visa ICP, X402 flows).
- Ace Data Cloud (Dom): Single‑key, pay‑per‑use access to hundreds of models; designed for programmatic agent access; processed ~8.5M+ API calls in the last month.
- Emblem (Adam): Multi‑chain Emblem Terminal (trade across chains, agent wallet, skills, CLI); soon: code crypto apps directly in the terminal; building for invisible, plug‑and‑play agent use.
- Zona (Bum): Orbit to deploy agents, aggregate X402 merchants/skills, and expose usage statistics to inform agent ecosystems; leveraging UB’s SAP and Synapse.
- Auto Incentive (Vlad): Full stack for agents (facilitators, endpoints, X402 payments), resilience via partnerships and backups; bridges for web2→web3.
- Quicksync/Stage X (Wasim): Privacy‑centric collaboration + live community engagement with crypto‑native interactivity; reliable broadcasting vs Spaces.
- Nova: Exploring safe agent permissioning over non‑custodial wallets; researching trust UX and strategy tooling.
Notable side threads and candid takes
- Realism on adoption and hype (Emblem):
- Don’t expect agents to “just make money” for users. Today, agents improve good traders and make poor traders lose faster. X402/MCP hype cycles may fade; stay nimble.
- Banker DAU context (~150–250) underscores how early we are.
- Privacy and safety (SKALE, Invoica): Confidentiality is critical (users don’t want bank‑account‑like transparency); agent swarms require QA loops and anti‑prompt‑injection safeguards.
- Human error vs agent error (K6, Nova): Major costs in business come from human error; agents reduce emotion‑driven mistakes but raise API‑abuse and overuse concerns that need policy/controls.
- Agent communication and discovery (Auto Incentive, Zona): Need registries/leaderboards/protocols for agent‑to‑agent discovery, reputation, and usage telemetry.
- Front‑end accessibility gap (Vicky): The tech is back‑end‑heavy; mainstream adoption waits for consumer‑grade agent access (personal agents callable from anywhere without CLI friction).
- Hype bubbles and lessons (Vicky): “Self‑feeding” Conway‑style agents to buy domains and Eliza trading sprees spiked then vanished; build for durable utility, not ephemeral bubbles.
- UB Protocol campaign and tooling (K6): Emphasis on providing plug‑and‑play infra (SDKs, SAP, Synapse, RPC) so builders don’t reinvent fundamentals; transparent reward program to harden the stack.
- Platform reliability (all): Spaces instability cost time; general agreement Stage X is better for long sessions.
Risks, constraints, and mitigations discussed
- Prompt injection + compounding errors (Invoica): Address via feedback loops, rigorous testing/QA, acceptance criteria.
- Confidentiality on public chains (SKALE): Use confidential tokens/conditional transactions; encrypted on‑chain state.
- API/RPC saturation and cost (Ace Data Cloud, Zona, Auto Incentive): Prefer pay‑per‑use, provider redundancy, rate‑limit handling, and cost controls; design agent call discipline to avoid overuse.
- Loss of swarm control at scale (Invoica): Architectural guardrails and observability to retain control.
- Over‑on‑chain bottlenecks (K6/UB): Receipts and proofs are great; aggregate or scale horizontally to avoid chain‑level congestion.
Key highlights and memorable data points
- Invoica’s full product was agent‑built: ~49 sprints; ~94% acceptance; 7–10 days; ~$200 API spend — a concrete proof that agent swarms can ship production software with the right orchestration and QA.
- Emblem is consolidating (Agent Hustle → Emblem) to focus brand and deliver a multi‑chain terminal where users can soon code crypto apps in‑terminal.
- SKALE positions chains as agent‑spawned compute units with built‑in confidentiality — a strong horizontal scaling/agent‑native stance.
- UB Protocol is pushing SAP + SDKs as connective tissue for agents/tools/services and backing it with a public dev bounty.
- Stage X/Quicksync shows what crypto‑native, privacy‑first collaboration UX can look like and why reliability matters for community ops.
Open needs and collaboration opportunities
- Agent registries/leaderboards for discovery, reputation, and selection.
- Usage analytics/telemetry for agent‑to‑agent commerce (what services/skills are actually used and valued).
- Standardized permissioning for non‑custodial wallets granting bounded agent access/spend (Nova’s focus area).
- Shared reliability meshes across providers (APIs, RPC, payments) to prevent single‑point failures (Auto Incentive’s practice).
- AX (Agentic Experience) patterns: guardrails, anti‑abuse defaults, token budgeting, step guidance (SKALE’s framing).
Final predictions — “What does development look like in 3 years if agents become builders?”
- SKALE (Sawyer): Layer upon layer of agents abstracting the stack; engineers focus on higher‑level/product; overall code quality comparable to humans.
- Zona (Bum): Humans ideate, define frameworks, and monitor; agents execute most of the building.
- Auto Incentive (Vlad): Fewer screens; more listening; language barriers blur; thought‑like intent becomes a communication interface.
- Vicky Ra: Modular “mini dev boxes” (agents) paying each other (e.g., via X402) to compose larger services — block effects through agentic micro‑commerce.
- Host (K6) — “Zoo theory”: Fully autonomous agent ecosystems may run continuous experiments on humans (good or bad) to optimize product/engagement; we need guardrails and governance to prevent harmful experimentation.
Closing sentiment
- Convergence around the thesis that autonomous builders won’t emerge from better models alone, but from the co‑evolution of infrastructure (private, scalable compute/blockspace), tooling (DX/UX/AX), economic rails (payments/settlement), and coordination layers (discovery, reputation, observability).
- Builders emphasized realism (current adoption is small), collaboration over competition, and designing for resilience and privacy from day one.
- Next steps: expect tighter integrations among participants (wallets, payments, compute, chains), broader adoption of UB’s SAP/SDKs, and a move of the Agent Network series to Stage X for reliability.
