The #1 Epstein reporter Nick Bryant is Live With Truth Teller

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The Spaces convened to cover two intertwined threads: new community-led findings in the Charlie Kirk assassination investigation and a long-form discussion on the Epstein network with Nick Bryant and Truth Teller. Host Ryan set up the evening with Sam Parker presenting a detailed, date-stamped timeline: anomalous Google Trends spikes from Washington, D.C. and Israel for Utah’s Timpanogos Regional Hospital, the Utah state medical examiner Dr. Deirdre Weiss Amaro, and multiple hospital surgeons beginning June–July, resurging on Sept 9. Parker connected these to Kirk’s public break with pro‑Israel positions on Sept 8, a Sept 9 Zoom with Josh Hammer and Rabbi Willicki, texts (“they’re going to kill me”), and Hammer’s “public execution” tweets before/after the shooting. Additional tips (Shelly, Moon) added searches for the RØDE Wireless GO II mic and a FOIA citing “agency assist.” In the second segment, Nick Bryant recapped the Palm Beach Police case, the grand jury derailment, victims’ ages, and named schedulers who could still be indicted, while debating CIA vs Mossad primacy with Truth Teller. They also touched on whether Epstein is alive (Truth argued yes; Bryant agnostic), and Bryant promoted EpsteinJustice for coordinated advocacy. The panel closed with calls to archive evidence, retweet, and maintain momentum while Candace Owens is off, with Truth Teller opening a follow-on space.

Twitter Space Recap: Charlie Kirk Case Updates and Epstein Investigation Deep Dive

Participants and Roles Identified

  • Ryan (Host) — moderates the space, organizes schedule, coordinates guests.
  • Maze (Co-host) — keeps the room flowing, surfaces questions, handles nest links.
  • Sam Parker — lead analyst on the Charlie Kirk case timelines; presents new evidence.
  • Truth Teller — host of nightly “Epstein Files” spaces; researcher, debate lead on intel dynamics.
  • Nick Bryant — investigative journalist, published Epstein’s “Black Book”; author of The Franklin Scandal; guest expert.
  • Wolf — veteran co-host in JQ spaces, provides technical help and framing.
  • “Doctor” — participant posing timeline and motive questions (name not stated).
  • Destiny — participant with questions on Epstein evidence.
  • Shelly — contributor of search-intel tips (Google Trends, etc.).
  • David Riley — analyst weighing in on ballistics and macro context.
  • Ian Malcolm — commentator, synthesis and perspective on institutional capture and culture.
  • Rilla — participant with questions on potential on-stage device effects and Bannon footage.
  • Moon — researcher who filed FOIA and compiled dossier on a lab-coat trespass suspect.

Note: Additional names referenced in the discussions include: Candace Owens, Nick Bryant, Truth Teller (as researcher), Baron Coleman (Google Trends investigator), Erica Kirk, Andrew Kolvet, Josh Hammer, Rabbi Wolicki, Michelle Hofmann (Utah DHHS), Dr. Deirdre Weiss Amaro (Utah State Medical Examiner), Utah surgeons at Timpanogos Regional Hospital, Robert Bowles (FBI SAC, Salt Lake), Harrison Smith, and persons of interest Tyler Robinson and Jordan Hunter Kozak.

Overview

  • The space was structured in two main segments: (1) new developments in the Charlie Kirk assassination investigation, heavily focused on timing, logistics, and digital forensics; (2) a deep dive on Epstein with guest Nick Bryant and an extended debate on the intelligence architecture behind Epstein’s operations.
  • Candace Owens was cited repeatedly for advancing relevant disclosures; she is off for ~two weeks, during which Ryan and Sam Parker will host a daily 5–6 pm space for ongoing updates on the Charlie Kirk case.

Charlie Kirk Case: Timelines, Digital Signals, and Potential Inside Support

Framing and Method: “Timelines, timing, and time” (Sam Parker)

  • Sam’s central premise: sequencing events uncovers patterns and potential pre-operational behaviors.
  • Three core lanes of evidence emerged:
    1. unusual search activity patterns (Google Trends analysis),
    2. personnel/placement timing (medical examiner, FBI leadership),
    3. communications and behavioral signals (texts, calls, public posts) immediately before the assassination.

Google Trends “Bombshell” (lead: Baron Coleman; collab: Sam Parker, Shelly, others)

  • Term “Timpanogos Regional Hospital” was searched from Washington, DC IPs on June 28, July 3, and July 16, then a gap, then another spike on September 9 (night before the assassination), followed by expected public-interest spikes on Sept 10–11.
  • Israeli IPs conducted targeted searches in July for multiple surgeons at Timpanogos Regional Hospital (July 14–24 timeframe). Names cited: Steven Nielman, Robert Patterson, Lee Trotter, Lee Patterson, Richard Rasmussen.
  • Israeli IP searched Dr. Deirdre Weiss Amaro (Utah State Medical Examiner) on June 30, 2025. Notably, no comparable searches detected from DC or Utah IPs for her name during that period.
  • Additional discoveries (Shelly): Israeli IP search for “RØDE Wireless GO II” (a popular lavalier mic) on July 22, 2025; Tyler Robinson was trending from a DC IP on Sept 9 (day before), and earlier Israeli searches for “Tyler Robinson” were noted in early August. Israeli IPs also searched “Charlie Kirk” and “Josh Hammer” in spring 2024 and again in early Aug 2025. Names like Jordan Hunter Kozak (the audience member who asked the transgender question) also appear in Israeli-origin search patterns.
  • Context linkage: Search activity starts the day after the July 13 TPUSA event where Kirk platformed Tucker Carlson; a notable clustering of Israeli-origin searches begins July 14.
  • Investigative implication: The pattern suggests early-stage pre-operational interest in medical and event-adjacent entities, then a re-activation on the eve of the assassination.

Personnel and Placement: Medical Examiner and Hospital Routing

  • Dr. Deirdre Weiss Amaro (Utah State Medical Examiner) was revealed by Candace Owens as the autopsy lead. She reportedly came to Utah via Missouri/California, with her hiring announced May 14, 2024 by Dr. Michelle Hofmann (Utah DHHS Deputy Director). Timeline coincidence raised: Dr. Hofmann’s background was noted (parents were Holocaust survivors), and Dr. Amaro’s prior marriage to Jason Weiss was examined (including name aliases). The relevance advanced by Sam: the overlapping timing (spring 2024) of Amaro’s placement and the onset of tighter engagement between Kirk and Josh Hammer.
  • Routing question: Charlie was taken to Timpanogos Regional Hospital rather than the closest top-tier trauma center to UVU. An unnamed surgeon allegedly told Andrew Kolvet early on that a “neck of steel” stopped the bullet; this attribution remains unverified, and the surgeon unidentified. The hospital’s surgeons became the focus of July Israeli IP searches.

Communications and Behavioral Signals: Hammer, Kolvet, Kirk, and the “Public Execution” posts

  • Private group chat (Sept 8): Candace Owens later provided screenshots indicating Charlie Kirk wrote, “I have no choice but to abandon the pro-Israel cause.” Josh Hammer (a participant in the same chat, along with Rabbi Wolicki and Andrew Kolvet) had publicly denied any such shift until receipts were published.
  • Zoom call (Sept 9): On the eve of the assassination, Hammer, Rabbi Wolicki, and Kirk (plus staff) allegedly convened to prep Israel talking points for the campus tour. Hammer subsequently posted a screenshot showing he had to ask where the tour started (UVU), which Sam found odd given the stated purpose of the call; Hammer also made an “Antifa” quip to Kirk that night.
  • Security concerns (Sept 9): NY Post reporting cited dinner with Erica Kirk and a faith leader who recommended bulletproof vest and glass; Candace Owens has stated (receipts pending) that Kirk texted multiple people “they’re going to kill me” that evening. This would align with August reporting (Harrison Smith) that Kirk feared “Israel might try to kill me if I turn on them,” a claim Kirk did not publicly rebut in the weeks that followed.
  • “Public executions” posts: On Sept 9, Hammer quote-tweeted a 12-year-old Trump post about “public executions,” later claiming it was about a separate trending topic (Irena). On Sept 10, hours after the assassination, he again tweeted “public execution” without context. Sam and Shelly view the sequence as potentially signaling; Shelly notes Tyler Robinson’s trend spike from DC IP on Sept 9, interpreting Hammer’s posts as an operational “go” message.
  • Andrew Kolvet sent the Sept 8 group chat screenshots (about dropping the pro-Israel cause) to the FBI immediately after the assassination, indicating he believed those messages were relevant beyond a “lone leftist” narrative.

Earlier Timeline: Motive Development and “Handler” Hypothesis (Spring 2024 and Prior)

  • Post 10/7/2023: Kirk publicly questioned whether Israel/IDF had allowed or foreknown the Hamas attack; criticized ADL/Greenblatt and left-wing Jewish NGOs. He drew intense accusations of antisemitism in late 2023.
  • Spring 2024: Josh Hammer (by his own later admission) began contacting Kirk “regularly” about a year and a half prior (April/May 2024). Sam frames this as the start of a potential “handler” dynamic: an attempt to corral or steer Kirk back to a pro-Israel line.
  • May 2025: Kirk wrote a critical letter to Prime Minister Netanyahu; Hammer knew about it but did not acknowledge it publicly while calling others “liars” for suggesting any policy shift by Kirk.
  • Aug 4–5 (Hamptons meeting): Heated exchanges reported, including over platforming Tucker Carlson; rumor that Kirk turned down a large financial offer (figure cited: $150M) from Netanyahu (unconfirmed). Aug 6: Kirk told Megyn Kelly he was being “emotionally blackmailed” over Israel.
  • Mid-Aug: Multiple accounts say Kirk told people he thought Israel might try to kill him if he “turns,” in the same period his wife says he received numerous threats and had increased security.
  • Aug 27: The campus tour was officially announced. Sam flags a potential “inside man” question: Who placed Utah/UVU as the opening stop, and when was that decided? If planning was in motion months earlier, internal coordination would have been needed to align the operational venue.

Methods Speculation and Physical Evidence Questions

  • Observable anomalies: Widespread skepticism in the space about a 30-06 ballistics match to the wound/kinematics on video (David Riley’s observation). The shirt movement and apparent localized “burst” were cited as inconsistent with expectations.
  • Alternative mechanisms discussed:
    • A secondary “kill device” (e.g., in the chest mic) timed with the gunshot; comparisons drawn to historical CIA “heart attack gun” concepts.
    • Cavitation vs. an on-body device (e.g., a lavalier mic battery event). Forensic replication challenge: Blake publicly offered $25,000 for anyone to recreate the shirt effect under controlled shoot conditions.
    • “Squib” hypothesis raised by Rilla; no definitive opinion given by panelists.
  • New intel via Shelly: Israeli IPs searched “RØDE Wireless GO II” (a common lav mic system) on July 22, 2025 — adding intrigue to device speculation.

Adjacency: Arrests, Triage Actors, and FBI Leadership

  • “Zen guy”/custodial charges: A figure discussed who was later arrested for child pornography (timing after he had been questioned). Sam notes the new FBI SAC in Salt Lake, Robert Bowles, previously led liaison work with FBI Cyber Crime (child-exploitation/CSAM). Sam’s point: expertise and placement could enable sensitive leverage operations (planting/overlooking/using charges) to control or silence a potential witness. This remains a hypothesis presented by Sam.
  • FOIA revelations (Moon):
    • Filed FOIA (Sept 24) on Russell Kennington (man in a white lab coat who trespassed at the scene and took photos). Received a denial citing an “agency assist” and a statute protecting disclosure that could reveal non-public government procedures or entities.
    • Probable Cause Affidavit obtained via court records showed Kennington was released on his own recognizance shortly after arrest.
    • Kennington’s LinkedIn: connected to a TMS mental-health/psychiatry company serving veterans/PTSD; a senior TMS figure reportedly ties to USG/intelligence.
    • Social media cadence: A posting gap for ~1 year, resuming exactly one month before the shooting; on the day-of, he posted “security is great”; afterward he posted himself in the lab coat. ArtStation shows 3 images, two featuring the Star of David. Moon compiled a documentary-style short with screenshots, correspondence, and statutes.

Epstein Segment: Evidence, Prosecutions, and Intelligence Architecture

Nick Bryant’s Evidence Summary and Prosecution History

  • Palm Beach Police Department (Chief Michael Reiter) treated the original 14-year-old accuser as credible due to precise descriptions of Epstein’s home and anatomy, launching a year-long investigation identifying at least 17 known victims and multiple corroborators. Recommended charges would have put Epstein away for many years.
  • Case was removed from PBPD and sent to a grand jury under a special prosecutor (Lana Belohlavek). Only two victims were called; grand juries are easily steered due to process opacity and sole prosecutorial control. Result: not a single count of child molestation; instead one count of adult pandering — despite victims being minors at the time.
  • Youngest victims: Media narrative frames youngest at 14. However, Australian newspaper “The Age” reported victims aged 11–12 in the Virgin Islands; two therapists (one prominent) told Nick they treated clients who were trafficked below age 10, one who could describe Epstein’s NYC residence. They believe some claims were rejected from the Epstein Victims Compensation Program to maintain a “cover story” that the youngest were 14.
  • Co-conspirators who “fed the machine” (Nick): Ghislaine Maxwell, Sarah Kellen, Leslie Groff, Nadia Marcinkova, Adriana Ross. Nick argued these women could be indicted immediately (child trafficking: 15-to-life federally), and pressure on them could unlock the broader network.

Intelligence Dynamics and the 2007 Non-Prosecution Agreement (NPA)

  • Nick’s thesis: The Epstein operation likely involved both the CIA and Mossad; he rejects the view that Mossad acted alone without CIA awareness. He argues the CIA would not permit a foreign intel service to compromise US power centers on US soil without a “cut” of the intelligence.
  • On the 2007 NPA: Only the Attorney General or the President can order a US Attorney to “stand down.” Nick posits Alberto Gonzales (AG) and President George W. Bush directed Alexander Acosta to finalize the NPA after direction from the CIA; thus, the cover-up chain would be President → AG → US Attorney.
  • FBI posture (per Nick): Local FBI field personnel in Miami were not “OK” with the NPA outcome; the Department of Justice ran the immunity structure, later rejected by SDNY in Maxwell’s case (SDNY argued Florida immunity didn’t bind other districts). Maxwell’s appeal on this was not taken up by SCOTUS.

Debate: Mossad vs CIA Primacy, PROMIS, and JFK

  • Truth Teller’s position: Mossad/Israeli military intelligence had overriding leverage; quotes ex-CIA officer John Kiriakou (“CIA is Mossad’s [expletive]”), cites Arnon Milchan, Rafi Eitan, Robert Maxwell, PROMIS backdoor, and extensive APAC leverage over US politicians. He argues Israel’s apparatus often dominates or compels US intel decisions (e.g., blackmail capacity over presidents, US policy). He also connects Israel/Mossad motive to JFK (Dimona/Nuclear program pressure; AZC FARA issues) and LBJ’s orientation.
  • Nick’s counter: PROMIS was modified by Michael Riconosciuto under a CIA framework (documented in the Danny Casolaro “American Conspiracy” trail); while Israel may have participated or benefitted, the CIA carried the torch for many governmental overthrows and deep operations (citing a long list of coups and theaters). On JFK, Nick asserts CIA motive (Bay of Pigs, Dulles firing, vow to shatter the CIA, and Vietnam policy) more directly and powerfully explains the assassination.
  • Both acknowledge overlapping criminal syndicates and blackmail precedents: Roy Cohn’s network (underage boys) and Meyer Lansky’s blackmail of J. Edgar Hoover and Clyde Tolson (Nick), with Truth highlighting Jewish organized crime figures’ roles (Arnold Rothstein, Lansky, Bugsy Siegel, Jack Ruby) and cultural under-noticing of Jewish mob history.

Additional Epstein-Related Issues Raised

  • “Birthday book” evidence: Destiny asked about Donald Trump’s signature in Epstein’s birthday book (from the recent 33k-file tranche). Nick’s view: outlets like WSJ would be unlikely to risk a massive libel exposure without high confidence.
  • Is Epstein alive? Truth presented claims: a Mossad insider said Epstein is in Haifa; $15M transfer traced to a VI account only he could access; 4chan EMT post about an extraction; facial disparities suggesting a body double; AI assessments. Nick remains agnostic, citing Ari Ben-Menashe’s belief Epstein is dead and emphasizing the problems with the official death narrative while not endorsing survival claims.
  • Black Cube/Legal intimidation: Nick described David Boies hiring Black Cube to target Rose McGowan and NYT reporters (in the Weinstein matter), and referenced Boies and Stan Pottinger as counsel associated with the Epstein Victims Compensation Program.
  • Transhumanism in New Mexico: Nick relayed survivor accounts (Juliet Bryant; Virginia Giuffre) suggesting Epstein/Maxwell interest in reproduction/transhuman experimentation; references to “Dolly the sheep” era funding to place the theme in time.
  • Leon Black and Les Wexner money trail: Media “cover story” frames payments to Epstein as tax consulting (Black) or loneliness/power-of-attorney (Wexner). Nick’s evolving view is money laundering and blackmail both featured; he noted Wexner’s Southern Air Transport (CIA proprietary) relationship, indicating potential intelligence connectivity. He did not provide a definitive link for Black to CIA/Mossad but flagged the oddity of $158M paid to Epstein (2012–2017) versus the claimed rationale.

Calls to Action

  • Nick Bryant promoted EpsteinJustice (webinars, state-level organizing, legislator call campaigns). He emphasized bipartisan public support for transparency (citing a CBS figure of 89% wanting full disclosure) and argued the case is the best opportunity to roll back entrenched corruption.

Community Contributions and Outstanding Leads

  • New Israel/DC-origin search artifacts (Google Trends) are proliferating; multiple contributors are archiving early snapshots due to possible later scrubbing. The working hypothesis among investigators is that “operative” queries (hospital, surgeons, ME, mics, named participants) began months before, with reacquisition checks close to execution.
  • FOIA and court records are producing signals around “agency assist,” and potentially intelligence-adjacent community mental health touchpoints in Utah. Moon’s short-form dossier consolidates primary records, statutes, and social content.
  • Organizational hypothesis: If the Israeli-origin search pattern and timeline are validated, investigators infer (a) a far earlier plot genesis (spring 2024 or even late 2023), (b) parallel tracks were set up — internal (handler/pressure campaigns) and external (contingency planning for medical, legal/routing, comms), (c) possible inside support to structure the UVU venue and timing.

Open Questions and Next Steps

  • Device/ballistics reconciliation: Independent forensic replication of shirt dynamics; test-of-concept for lav mic battery rupture vs. ballistic-only causation; micro-debris/chemical analysis results (if obtainable).
  • Hospital routing and personnel logs: Who directed transport to Timpanogos; roster of emergency responders and attending surgeons; match names to the July Israeli IP searches; confirm the “neck of steel” quote chain of custody.
  • ME office chain and autopsy: Full autopsy findings (bullet fragments recovery status; wound track; stippling; chemical residues); ME office communications log; confirm June 30 Israeli search of Dr. Amaro; hiring file audit (who sourced and endorsed; background checks; concurrent contacts).
  • Comms timeline documentation: Corroborate evening-of (Sept 9) texts (“they’re going to kill me”); preserve metadata; verify Hammer/Wolicki/Kirk Zoom details; examine “public execution” posting metadata (timing, locations).
  • TPUSA internal scheduling: Who placed Utah/UVU as the opener; when; whether external stakeholders were involved; whether venue changes or security configs were advocated by any third parties.
  • FBI leadership actions: Robert Bowles’ office activities from Aug install through Sept; cross-agency coordination records; assess whether any cyber/CSAM leverage operations intersected with witnesses.
  • Bannon’s unreleased Epstein interviews: Whether legal, safety, or leverage factors are blocking release; what mechanisms could compel or protect publication.
  • Broader digital forensics: Systematic archiving of Google Trends artifacts with timestamps and independent validation; establish a repository of searches (terms, dates, IP origin) for peer review.

Programming Notes

  • Candace Owens is off for ~two weeks; Ryan and Sam Parker will host daily updates (5–6 pm) on the Charlie Kirk investigation to sustain momentum.
  • Truth Teller is hosting ongoing nightly Epstein Files spaces; upcoming episode to feature analysis of reported Epstein interviews/biographical materials and additional document evidence trails.

Key Takeaways

  • The most consequential new development is the multi-month pre-operational search footprint from Israel and DC IPs targeting a highly specific constellation: the Utah hospital, its surgeons, the state ME, and event-adjacent names and devices (e.g., RØDE Wireless GO II). The clustering pattern and dates (spring 2024 through July/Aug 2025 with a reactivation on Sept 9) significantly undercut any theory of a purely spontaneous or compressed plot.
  • Parallel-process hypothesis gains weight: (1) “handling” Kirk (communications, donors, narrative management) while (2) staging medical/legal/ops contingencies if handling failed.
  • Immediate pre-event signals (Hammer’s posts; dinner security counsel; alleged “they’re going to kill me” texts; the Sept 8 group chat) align with elevated threat acknowledgment and suggest anticipatory awareness among multiple parties.
  • In the Epstein segment, consensus points include: a corrupted 2007 NPA process; a large victim pool (likely >1,000), including possibly pre-pubescent victims; indictable co-conspirators remaining at large; a persistent intelligence footprint. The principal debate concerned intelligence primacy (Mossad vs CIA) and the degree of Israeli vs US deep-state leadership.
  • Action orientation: The community is coalescing around concrete tasks (FOIA, Google Trends archiving, timeline curation, inside-man inquiry, ballistic/device replication), with clear roles for independent researchers and legal strategy hubs (e.g., EpsteinJustice).