Research Rehash

The Spaces convened a multi‑hour, researcher‑led review of the UVU/Charlie Kirk shooting case, focusing on evidence integrity, identities, timelines, and possible federal/contractor technology activity overhead. Participants cross‑referenced TPUSA staff/security movements (e.g., Frank Turek, Mikey McCoy, Nate Walker, Danny Phillips), UVU AV handling by Terrell Farnsworth, and contested items such as the Dairy Queen photo (suspected AI composite) and a backpack/jacket/gloves set reportedly found near the library. They scrutinized camera anomalies (UTC time, mirrored stairways, abrupt trims on the rear camera file) and pressed for GRAMA requests to obtain incident and use‑of‑force reports on arrests (e.g., George Zinn). A major track explored the contemporaneous presence of contractor ISR platforms, the 47G/L3Harris demo morning of the event, and potential low‑altitude jamming impacts on live feeds. Genealogy/conflict‑of‑interest threads (Farnsworth family links; Olson/Olson; Merrill; Henderson/Koreshi) were mapped. Action items included identifying the “pink hat” security‑type, the overweight photographer with a brown bag, the black van, resolving who rode in which vehicle, securing highest‑quality roof‑shooter images, reconstructing the drive to the hospital, and formal records requests to surface physical evidence logs and custody of original media.

Research Rehash: UVU/Charlie Kirk Case – Comprehensive Notes and Open Actions

Participants and Roles Referenced (as named in the session)

• Matthew (Matt): frequent facilitator/commentator; coordinates nest items; pushes for evidence-driven discussion and reduction of noise/fighting.
• “Muppet”: central organizer/poster of materials in the nest; drives ID tasks, video curation, logistics analysis (likely the main session host).
• Delaney: contributes warrants, metadata finds, photo sourcing, and logistics details; flags FBI Agent Lang interview timing.
• Carrie: provides structured brief on L3 Harris contract and 47G meeting; clarifies HADES vs similar platforms; GRAMA/FOIA strategy.
• Black Line: advocates unifying effort; analyzes narrative inconsistencies (e.g., Mikey/Blake timelines), highlights 9/11-style “plausible deniability.”
• Hayden: UK perspective; methodical approach on footage provenance (seeking highest-quality stills), roof-angle reconstruction; procedural questions.
• Wendy (former Florida corrections sergeant): offers procedural insights—incident, arrest, and use-of-force reports; GRAMA request guidance.
• Fermin: technical analyst; security wearables/Team Awareness Kit; RF/NFC; vehicle-start/FOB exposure; flight-path collation.
• Kate: genealogy research support.
• “Louisiana”: early alerts; assists cross-posting.
• Uncle Tom: referenced as a prior space host; target of alleged doxx attempt.
• Andy Lu (Andy Louie): flight/ISR-interest researcher; correlates aircraft altitude changes with on-ground events; urges greater focus on planes.
• Vincent; Cruisin: contributors; Cruisin revisits red-umbrella observations.
• “Law” (speaker 6): notes on Falomina evidence handling cancellations, Agent Davis video retrievals, and SBI/FBI scene control.
• Others frequently referenced: Candace (media host disseminating tips), JJ, Tara, Jay Self; Blake Neff (TPUSA), Mikey McCoy (TPUSA), Erica, Nate Walker, Danny Phillips, John McGovern, Andrew Seifer (TPUSA VP Field Ops), Andrew Ferrasi (freelance photog), Braiden Glasscock (TPUSA videographer), Joe Hughes (former TPUSA AV, now with Officer Tatum), Mitch (Artifacts; AV), Terrell Farnsworth (Visual Impulse/AV), “Moya” (UVU Review photog/reporter), Hunter Kozak (questioner), “Night Walker,” Frank (Turic/Tarik), Victor Marks, Jack Hibbs/Butch Hibbs, Ben Shapiro’s security, Brian Harpole, Philomena (Falomina), Baker (DNA), Agent Hall, Jensen, Chief Bree, Jeff Gray & Chad Grunander (prosecutors), Officer Go Forth, Eric Beverage, Michael Dutson/Dutson, Wade Pritchard (NG), “Disney Dad,” Daniel/Joshua Merrill, Justin Olson, Curtis Olson (UVU cameras), Connor Henderson, Qureshi family, Flood family (Dan/Robert), Koreshi/Polynesian ties.

Session Focus and Framing

• Objective: consolidate investigatory threads on the UVU/Charlie Kirk incident, tighten evidence chains, correct misinfo, and set concrete action items toward trial readiness.
• Tone: evidence-first, reduce infighting; clear separation between verified facts and hypotheses; identify where FOIA/GRAMA can produce hard records.

Multimedia Evidence: Status, Gaps, and Suspected Tampering

• Camera anomalies and sync:
  • One key camera shows UTC timestamps (not local); several stairwell feeds appear mirrored; inconsistent with a uniformed, synchronized mesh network—raising suspicion of post-processing or interference.
  • If a camera is on the Clark Building and part of UVU’s network, time desync implies potential tampering or non-network integration.
• Terrell Farnsworth (Visual Impulse) and rear camera cut:
  • Group agrees the rear-camera feed (used in Candace’s episode; FaceTimed to her) was truncated (~3 minutes) and cropped (lower frame—feet/ground—missing) contrary to normal setup framing; this suggests content removal to conceal immediate post-impact handling.
  • Terrell reportedly removed SD cards himself; affidavits claim “accurate representation” despite edits. Consensus: behavior is inconsistent with best practices; tampering/interference claims raised.
• Evidence control:
  • Moya (UVU Review) captured “script-consistent” moments (e.g., filming a staged-looking “actress” running toward her) while ignoring the primary medical evacuation, aligning with a “script progression” theory.
  • A high-angle (embankment) video showing Terrell signaling (thumbs-up), Moya filming her actor, and another man filming across a hood (ID’d as Andrew Seifer) is critical. Ownership of that high-angle video remains unknown; locating the original filmer is a priority.
• “Side-elevation” roof photo:
  • Best available still (side view of the blurry roof figure—“Lowcy roof” perspective) likely derived from video frames; need highest source quality. Blake/Matt/Hayden believed to have clearer copies; request re-shares.
• TPUSA/AV capture inventory (on-paper breadth vs. public scarcity):
  • Five TPUSA cameras plus Ferrasi (contract) plus a volunteer photog; Braiden Glasscock filmed George Zinn’s escort in 4K.
  • Joe Hughes (TPUSA AV; later Officer Tatum) and Logan Thompson (UVU Review) operated cameras; archives plausibly extensive yet unreleased.
  • Ferrasi allegedly delivered copy to police (claims need receipt proof). He refused sharing “setup/crowd” images publicly; leaves a gap when public analysis relies on low-res reposts.
• DQ “sighting” photo credibility:
  • Broad skepticism: likely AI-synthesized (younger “Tyler,” smoothed skin; odd shirt artifacts; surveillance-like vantage but no timestamp/metadata). Metadata snippets surfaced (edit logs), indicating deliberate cropping/edits across PD channels. Candace reportedly vetted via staff tip; group urges Candace to release verifiable receipts or retract.

Vehicles, Movements, and Keys

• Black van (unidentified):
  • Candace omitted a black van parked blocking cars; pass looked like a Turning Point logo (unclear). Visual Impulse’s known AV van is separate; Mitch/Artifacts strongly denied black van as TPUSA/VI fleet; hints at third-party role.
• Vehicle assignment and keys:
  • Emergency/security practice suggests keys/FOBs often left in “permeable zone” vehicles for rapid exfil. Multiple anecdotes: GM Yukon/Denali FOBs start with proximity; phone apps possible (depending on rental/fleet config).
  • “Chris” (driver) reportedly associated via Harpole’s talk; his name shows on a dashboard device, yet full ID unknown. He was absent during departure, yet his vehicle was used; a huddle before the SUV suggests a key or object handoff. Justin Davis opened/used the hatch pre-departure.
  • Car roster ambiguity: which car “Night Walker” took remains unresolved; cross-check needed with arrival videos, “lemon” video, and person-bag matching.
• Hospital timing:
  • Timpanogos arrival gap: measured drive ~6–8 min based on speed; anecdotal claim of 15 minutes from witness (Baron), suggesting 7–9 minute unexplained buffer. Confirm arrival timestamp via hospital/camera/dispatcher logs.

Planes/ISR and Signal Environment

• HADES vs. similar platforms:
  • Carrie clarifies: Sierra Nevada Co. holds HADES; Leidos/L3 Harris/SAIC consortium contested but lost. Nonetheless, their platforms exist and can be HADES-equivalent in capabilities. One plane’s lavatory modification matches HADES spec.
  • Day prior (Sept 9): Governor Cox announced a large L3 Harris contract including low-altitude jamming. Morning of Sept 10: 47G held Q3 meeting (Weber State) with member demos; L3 Harris demo likely. This provides plausible cover for flight ops.
• Altitude correlation claim:
  • Andy Lu notes aircraft altitude shifts align with on-ground keypoints (e.g., descent when Charlie took the mic, lower approach at the moment of impact). Hypothesis: real-time overwatch/jamming/crowd mapping. Calls for flight-path/time correlation logs (Fermin to post paths in comments).
• Signal disruption reports:
  • Multiple claims of livestreams failing, camera disconnects (e.g., Bartholomew) around incident time; aligns with low-altitude jamming capability usage. Distinguish live-feed interruption from SD-card capture integrity.
• LiDAR/Cessna survey flights:
  • LiDAR survey plane performed multiple sweeps earlier; subscription imagery exists (Baron). Determine sweep times, coverage, and whether data include site/time of incident.

Security Team Behavior and Chain of Custody Concerns

• Frank (Turic/Tarik):
  • Dispute over role: handler vs. hanger-on vs. babysitter. Facts noted: stayed with Charlie previous nights; present at morning/return events; jumped in SUV rear; claims FaceTime (Ben Shapiro security); admitted watching drone footage; story contradictions persist.
  • Some suggest Alex (security) tried to pull Frank out of the SUV rather than Frank trying to get in; interpretive ambiguity remains in video.
• Mikey McCoy and Blake Neff narratives:
  • Initial Oct 28 show (since scrubbed/renamed) differs from later claims; Candace later obtained call-logs: Mikey first called Elizabeth McCoy (~3 minutes), then three-wayed Erica. Visual evidence shows Mikey’s phone to ear despite claiming “hands at ears.”
  • Rumored 911 “butt dial” from inside SUV; urge to obtain audio for voice/timing.
• Andrew Seifer (TPUSA VP Field Ops):
  • Positioned opposite Terrell; appears to film while coordinating; seen near SUV trunk (opposite side). Behavior flagged as operational rather than incidental.
• Pink hat/blue shirt man:
  • Not seen in Wall-of-Flags security photo; carried similar electrolyte cup; later seen “fishing” around post-scene evidence, “kicking things around”; likely security or LE; needs firm ID.
• Overweight photographer (brown paper bag):
  • With significant camera/laptop gear; interacted with plainclothes and uniform officers (Allen Robinson). Possibly undercover? Remained seated long after area clearing; identity unknown.
• National Guard presence:
  • Two NG men (“Disney Dad” and Wade Pritchard) ran straight to arrest George Zinn; NG affiliations/liaisons likely (Sorenson building origin). Names incomplete; arrest sheet anomalies noted (see below).
• Wearables and comms:
  • Many security wore double smart wearables (watch + ring/glasses) tied into Team Awareness Kit: biometrics, location, comms; broadcast likely via Harpole’s tactical bag. Potential integration with vehicle/door access (RFID/NFC).

Physical Evidence: Backpack/Jacket/Gloves and DNA Pipeline

• Library/bus-stop backpack:
  • Under oath: backpack found with jacket, gloves, and “other items” (often quoted “Item 9”). Color reportedly “plaid” (disputed). Timing: during initial shooter search near library; defense must compel inventory/photos and even physical items.
• Evidence handling concerns:
  • Falomina reportedly “canceled the testing” and acted as evidence traffic controller; Baker (“DNA lady”) spoke more candidly. Agent Davis retrieved videos; Agent Hall undercover; Jensen (ex-FBI); Chief Bree (USU) cooperation. Tight FBI/SBI control; local interviews delayed until their arrival.
• DNA skepticism:
  • Reliance on elimination samples and lack of next-gen sequencing transparency questioned. Counsel warned jurors will hear about insufficient sequencing and elimination controls—prosecution risk at trial vs. low standard at prelim.

Arrest Sheets, Reports, and GRAMA Targets

• Arresting officers listed vs. actual hands-on:
  • For George Zinn: only Michael Dutson listed; yet Eric Beverage (uniform) and two others (NG, unknown) clearly “hands on.”
  • Wendy advises: look for three distinct documents—arrest record, incident report, use-of-force report (any hands-on triggers UOF). Submit GRAMA with precise language. Also request similar packets for (a) gun arrest ~mile away same day, and (b) next day’s arrest—previously “hard to find” in court systems.
• Prosecutors’ early involvement:
  • Jeff Gray and Chad Grunander allegedly arrived “~1 hour” after (group suspects sooner) and coordinated early with security/police; pushed “shooter on roof” narrative; later became prosecutors. Possible conflict of interest flagged.

Timeline Reconstruction and Campus Movements

• Paths and camera counts:
  • Planned field verification during UVU memorial: volunteers to walk Tyler’s alleged route(s), counting cameras at three distinct times and noting where footage should exist (anticipate numerous 4K hits).
• Chris’s movements:
  • Baron suggests Chris walked Sorenson walkway to lake just pre-incident and later returned running. Need to confirm if a walkway exists through mapped segment (call for on-site walk test). Map posted in nest.

Red Umbrella and Crowd Markers

• Red Umbrella girl:
  • Observed remaining calm at the shot; shielded by others; maintained umbrella while following/recording George Zinn. Hypothesis: serves as aerial marker for ISR assets (planes/drones) or ground coordination. Odd behavior vs. ordinary “sun-shade” rationale.

Genealogy/Network Mapping and Institutional Links

• Farnsworth tree and conflicts:
  • Working trees >500 persons; alleged biological cousin link between Farnsworth Farms and a “Burt” family (Terrell’s spouse) remains unsubstantiated; requires rigorous fact-check (avoid AI-inferred errors). If confirmed, presents conflict for any legal involvement.
  • Multiple Olson variants (OLSON/OLSEN): Justin Olson (TPUSA) vs. Justin Olson (UVU board); Curtis Olson (UVU camera admin). Distinct persons must be disambiguated.
• Merrill overlaps:
  • Daniel Merrill (Hardscape Utah paving at scene) vs. Joshua Merrill (Savory Fund creative director). Investigate familial relation; separate Daniel Merrill (UVU emergency coordinator; different spelling MERRILL vs. MERILL?) and a local photographer named Daniel Merrill who wrote about Creighton Bad.
• Flood family:
  • Need current photos for Dan/Robert (“Bob”) Flood; family members on SWAT in Orem/Provo noted; Facebook OSINT suggested (friends/likes of profile pics).
• Henderson–Harpole linkage:
  • “Harpole” appears in Henderson family tree (Henderson partner with Qureshi). Connor Henderson resembles “DQ guy” (if real); still, strong AI suspicion on DQ image remains.
• Qureshi/Polynesian ties:
  • Koreshi sister in pop video with Polynesian spouse-like figure; BYU’s Hawaii campus ties to Polynesian communities; Falomina and pink-hat man may be Polynesian—potential relational overlaps.

Prosecutor/Media/Influencer Ecosystem

• Officer Tatum/TPUSA nexus:
  • Joe Hughes moved from TPUSA to Officer Tatum post-incident; reinforces Salem/TPUSA/Tatum content alignment.
  • “Y Refy Studios” now sponsor Kirk’s show; prior legal payout to multiple media personalities (incl. Officer Tatum) implies money flows that could mask other financial dynamics; filings posted.
• Narrative discrepancies:
  • October 28 (renamed October 27) TPUSA show (Blake/Mikey) conflicts with later call logs and observed behavior. Suggests “pinned to early narrative” that later proved inconsistent.

Hypotheses Under Discussion (clearly marked as such)

• ISR involvement: L3 Harris demo provided plausible deniability for real-time ISR/jamming in direct support of ground operation; altitude profile correlates to on-ground phases.
• Scripted choreography: Moya’s camera placement, actress-like runner, Terrell’s thumbs-up, and cropping of the rear camera collectively indicate narrative management.
• Handler network: Victor Marks framed as common nexus—ties to IDF/Netanyahu access, Gaza post-10/7 entry, takeover of security after; Jack/Butch Hibbs tour overlaps; Frank, Mikey, Rob McCoy all proximate; suggests a faith/Salem/Israel/security cluster around Charlie’s final days.
• Red umbrella as aerial marker, pink hat as security fringe role, overweight photographer as undercover role.
• Hospital arrival gap suggests unrecorded detour or purposeful delay; verify via logs.

Legal/Trial Posture

• Prelim vs trial: hearsay allowable at prelim; DNA deficiencies and evidence chain issues will be magnified at trial; defense should move to compel physical items (backpack/jacket/gloves), complete itemized lists (“Item 9”), original video files, and chain of custody documents.
• Tyler’s plea/not suicidal inference: poly market angle (market crash knowledge) used by defense-minded attendees to counter “suicide” narratives.

Action Items (Concrete)

• Multimedia
  • Obtain highest-quality “side-elevation” roof-frame stills; identify the embankment videographer; request original files (not TikTok reposts) with metadata.
  • Catalogue all known videos/photos by owner and original platform; prioritize 4K originals from TPUSA AV, Ferrasi, Joe Hughes, volunteer’s camera.
  • Secure Candace’s source receipts for DQ photo (full metadata, staff identity, camera system details) or seek retraction if unverifiable.
• Vehicles and Movements
  • Identify “Chris” (driver) full name; resolve which vehicles/keys were used and by whom; itemize who huddled, what was passed.
  • Confirm hospital arrival time; reconcile with drive-time; analyze scanner/dash-cam trails.
  • Identify black van owner/operator; obtain front hanging pass close-up; contact TPUSA/Visual Impulse for fleet verification.
• People ID
  • ID pink-hat blue-shirt man; overweight photographer with paper bag; “Disney Dad” NG; plainclothes Allen Robinson contact.
  • Tie “Night Walker” to specific car via video narrowing.
• Evidence and Legal
  • GRAMA requests: incident report, arrest report, use-of-force reports for George Zinn; similar packets for the same-day gun arrest ~1 mile away and the next-day arrest.
  • Motion to compel physical items (backpack/jacket/gloves), their photos, and chain-of-custody; compel full itemized listing (noted as “Item 9”).
  • Subpoena/compel Terrell Farnsworth and entire TPUSA/AV/security chain for testimony; question timeline, edits, FaceTime feed, SD card handling.
• Planes/ISR
  • Collect flight data logs (ADS-B, IFR tracks) for all aircraft over UVU during incident; correlate with event timeline; compile Fermin’s posted paths.
  • Document 47G Q3 agenda, member demos (L3 Harris), personnel present; secure the Cox/L3 press conference materials; align times with UVU event.
  • Acquire LiDAR sweep imagery and timing; identify any pass overlapping event; evaluate sensor feasibility claims vs. live interference.
• Field Verification
  • Memoral-day volunteers: walk Tyler’s alleged paths; count camera exposures; verify Sorenson-to-lake walkway feasibility; capture contemporary comparators.
• Genealogy/Networks
  • Finish Farnsworth/Olson/Merrill trees; disambiguate spellings; verify any familial ties implying conflicts (e.g., Savory Fund links to site contractors, UVU employee ties to event actors).
  • Acquire updated Flood family photos; cross-check with Dan/Robert presence.
  • Verify Henderson-Harpole family tie; Qureshi family relational map; account for Polynesian-locus ties (BYU Hawaii, Utah networks).

Open Questions

• Why was the rear camera feed cropped/trimmed by ~3 minutes? Who ordered/authorized edits? Where is the uncut, full-timeline file?
• What exactly did Mikey/Blake/Seifer/Davis do in the seconds between impact and egress? What objects were passed in front of the SUV? Which items were removed from Charlie?
• What’s the full content of the alleged 911 pocket-dial from inside the SUV? Who spoke and for how long?
• Who owned the black van? Was it AV/security logistics? Why block parked vehicles?
• Why do some cameras show UTC and mirrored frames? Were networks misconfigured or feeds tampered?
• Who is “Chris” (driver), and where exactly did he go (why absent at departure)?
• Did L3 Harris low-altitude jamming demonstrably disrupt livestreams/comms? Can we corroborate via logs?
• Are any wearables/TAK logs retrievable by subpoena (biometrics, comms, geolocation)?
• Did prosecutors Gray/Grunander arrive within an hour and coordinate with security? Document times; evaluate conflict of interest.

Risks, Caveats, and Professional Posture

• Many points remain hypotheses pending primary-source documents (GRAMA/FOIA, subpoenas). Keep clear separation between verified material and speculative links.
• Avoid overreach (e.g., asserting HADES “live photo degradation” without technical substantiation). Distinguish between live-stream interference and on-device SD capture integrity.
• Maintain objectivity: apparent “script” behaviors could stem from poor decisions under stress; nonetheless, chain-of-custody violations and edits must be treated as serious legal defects.

Highlights and Key Takeaways

• Strong consensus: rear camera truncation/cropping, AV SD-card handling by Farnsworth, and missing/altered camera syncs are central evidentiary defects likely to be pivotal at trial.
• The aircraft dimension (L3 Harris demo during 47G meeting) provides plausible cover for ISR/jamming; altitude-time correlation warrants deeper, time-synced analysis.
• Security team conduct (Frank, Mikey, Seifer) shows narrative inconsistencies, questionable presence, and potential communications with external handlers.
• Physical evidence (backpack/jacket/gloves) reportedly exists but testing was canceled; defense should compel physical items and complete itemization.
• Arrest documentation gaps (hands-on officers missing from sheets) necessitate use-of-force and incident reports; GRAMA requests should be precise.
• Genealogical networks (Farnsworth/Olson/Merrill/Henderson/Qureshi/Flood) suggest deeply interlinked Utah ecosystems; potential conflicts must be documented, not assumed.
• Unresolved IDs (pink-hat man, overweight photog, driver “Chris,” NG officer “Disney Dad”) remain immediate identification tasks.

This session emphasized disciplined, document-driven progress. Next steps rely on retrieving primary evidentiary records, original media files, and accurate person/vehicle identities, while maintaining professional rigor and minimizing internal disputes.