TNT DINAR UPDATE 10-7-26
The Spaces covered a fast-moving, rumor-heavy update on prospective currency revaluations, centered on the Iraqi dinar (IQD) and related currencies. Host Tony (Ray absent) walked through a Monday-to-present timeline: a contractor allegedly paid at 4.28, IMF contacts saying the rate was live, banks “green-lit” but no public 800 numbers, and reports of banks processing select “whales.” Multiple reasons were cited for delays (public safety threats, UK base incident, NATO/UK issues), which the IMF source discounted. Tony’s core thesis: Iraq’s visible devaluation (e.g., ~1520 per USD) is a tactical move to starve Iran of dollars, trigger citizens to surrender dinar for USD, and set the stage for a revaluation, with a watch window of the 8th–15th and Iraqi cabinet votes targeted for Thursday. Claims included bank-screen sightings: ZIM tiers, and Venezuela’s bolívar soberano (VES) around $0.37; IQD bank exchange rates reportedly fluctuated intraday. Tony reiterated that 800 numbers will come via Wells Fargo and that only a few designated community leads would disseminate them. Q&A with listeners (Dream, Bus Lady, Danny in Dallas, “Bless,” Mr. Woody) focused on timing, process, and risk. The call closed with caution: “hurry up and wait,” avoid misinformation, and prepare for a potential weekend move.
TNT Spaces Recap and Analysis
Session Context and Participants
- Host: Tony (Ray was absent). Tony frequently references TNT community norms and moderates the call personally.
- Co-host (absent): Ray. Tony notes that Ray usually handles chat/forum questions; tonight only on-mic questions were taken.
- Notable callers and contributors:
- Dream: Raised clarifying questions on date windows and the persistent delays.
- Bus Lady: Asked about whales being paid, the mechanics of Forex listing, and 800-number distribution.
- Danny in Dallas: Discussed VES strategy, local currency exchange, and portfolio decisions.
- “Bless” (veteran with prior White House/military experience): Claimed specific bank payouts and quoted VES rate guidance; emphasized disciplined capital management.
- Mr. Woody, Freddy, and another caller with ~18B VES holdings: Brief confirmations and questions on VES denominations.
Chronological Timeline (post-Monday call)
Monday night (post-call developments):
- Contractor payouts in Iraq: Tony reported a contractor was paid on one contract at a rate he described as 4.28 (later reference to 4.87 for upcoming contracts; see rate notes below). He took this as evidence a rate was live domestically.
- IMF contact: Said the rate was live Sunday night; 800 numbers were supposed to be released Sunday night but were not.
- Wells Fargo contact: “Rate is stable, supposed to be live,” with all banks given a green light as of Monday 5:00 p.m. ET; however, no internal communications to proceed.
- Chase sighting (ZIM): ZIM displayed on bank screens with ranges of $20–30 million per 100T note; rollout was said to be “tomorrow” (Tuesday), which did not occur.
- Treasury confirmation: Banks were waiting for confirmation from the Treasury; Tony expected 800 numbers upon Treasury confirmation—none received.
- Iraq side: A government contact said there was a 99% chance of going live in the morning, pending PM Mohammed Shia’ Al‑Sudani’s announcement Monday night. That announcement did not materialize.
Tuesday/Wednesday (U.S. and Iraq developments):
- Federal contact: Reported banks “processing people” daily across the country (including Sunday and the current day), with active monitoring of rates. The question remained why the broader public was not invited.
- “Trump stopped it” narrative: Tony said an agency source claimed Donald J. Trump halted the go-ahead the prior night. He framed Trump as the single decision-maker in the current administration context (also noting similar executive interventions under Bush, Obama, and Biden in prior cycles).
- Alternative security rationales surfaced:
- LA/San Diego threat: A purported threat was cited in a bank briefing as the reason for delay; Tony’s IMF source dismissed this as an excuse.
- UK base incident: Reports of three individuals caught at/near a base with munitions/drones; B‑1 bombers and equipment were moved off-base. This was also cited as a convenient delay rationale while threat assessments continued.
- CIA perspective: No credible plots “at this time”; suggested the window to watch is October 8–15 (with an 8–13 focus).
- Geopolitical overlays:
- NATO restructuring tensions and political exclusion issues tied back to Marshall Plan grievances.
- Saudi–Yemen/Houthi track: Tony’s source said Saudi government needs time to finalize with Yemen; “announcement expected the 8th–15th.”
Tony’s “Real Reason” Thesis: Iran Strategy via Iraqi Devaluation
- Scott Benson assertion: Iran’s economy would collapse within ~5 remaining days of a 15-day window (as of Sunday/Monday); U.S. policy was to endure that period.
- Operational logic: Iraq’s devaluation restricts dollar flow to Iran by incentivizing Iraqi citizens to hoard USD and unload dinar. As holders chase dollars, fewer reach Iran via smuggling/parallel markets.
- Pattern recognition: Tony argues that many countries deliberately devalue shortly before a revaluation (RV). He claims Iraq publicly said “three zeros” reforms were on hold, then made a rate change (reported locally as 1520 IQD/USD), positioning for a subsequent RV.
- Near-term cadence: Collect dinar domestically (“load the dinar”), curb dollar leakage to Iran, finish cabinet/vote, then revalue and go international. Tony’s contingent plan: cabinet vote on Thursday; bank access by Saturday if the vote happens.
Historical Narrative (Tony’s view of prior administrations and Iraq)
- Bush: Initially aimed to “just go get the money,” roll through RV and oil asset recapture.
- Obama: Rejected immediate RV; prioritized building Iraq’s banking system, governance, and sustainable economic growth—arguing against a sudden windfall to a populace without institutional scaffolding. Tony claims Obama/Bush were aware of his calls (via CIA relays) and decided “leave him alone.” He references a scrapped Biden/Jack Lew-era plan to divide Iraq (north for Kurds; south aligning with Iran), later abandoned.
- Trump (first term): Tony says Trump lacked trust and institutional support to execute his monetization agenda then.
- Biden: Tony claims Biden/Jack Lew’s approach was to remove retail participants (“us”) from the process; alleges they did not implement the prior partition plan.
- Present Trump context: Tony asserts Trump now has loyalists willing to act, citing Netanyahu’s influence and a willingness to “assassinate” adversaries; this, in Tony’s view, changed regional calculations and underpins current wartime posture.
Iraq’s Current Domestic Actions and Public Response
- Reported public rate change: Articles noted a change to 1520 IQD/USD; immediate public frustration and attempts by citizens to exchange dinar for dollars (Tony says “by the bag load”).
- Government posture: Some Iraqi reports indicated pausing other government activities to revisit the exchange rate Thursday amidst protests/riots; Tony cautioned Iraq seldom adheres exactly to timelines.
- Cabinet completion: Tony says parties agreed on ministerial names after Washington’s pressure; former PM Nouri al‑Maliki dropped objections in exchange for two positions. Vote “supposed” to be Thursday.
Bank and Rate Sightings (as reported by Tony and callers)
- Active processing: U.S. banks reportedly processing select accounts (“privileged people,” “whales”) for over a month, including as recently as the morning of the call.
- Forex trigger: Tony emphasizes that mass public exchanges require Forex listing; current selective payouts occur without listing.
- Dinar (IQD): Tony mentioned fluctuating internal rates observed during exchanges (e.g., 2.67 and 6.77, context unclear) and contractor rates of 4.28 and a coming 4.87 “higher” tranche.
- ZIM: Screens at banks showing $20–30 million per 100T note, consistent with longstanding internal ranges cited in TNT circles.
- VES (Venezuelan bolívar soberano or digital variants):
- Morning bank screen sighting at $0.37 per VES (Tony says this came directly from a banker).
- “Bless” said a banker told him $0.39; Tony corroborated another veteran had that number.
- Tony’s oil-parity heuristic: Oil countries at $4+ (noting Venezuela’s heavier crude at discount), positing a simple “10% of $4” logic to get ~$0.40 as a conservative VES baseline.
- VND (Vietnamese dong): Tony asserted incoming rates around $3 with a “higher” theoretical band up to ~$11; contrasted with skeptics who long claimed VND wouldn’t move.
800 Numbers and Process Control
- Distribution: Tony says Wells Fargo is designated to give him the 800 numbers and instructions.
- Gurus designated: Tony claims four were selected “years ago” to receive official 800 numbers—Frank26 (declined, calling them not real), MarkZ (in Puerto Rico), one other (possibly Wolverine), and Tony.
- Public flow: Plan to process those “in the know” within ~10 days; broader public will discover over months, scheduling appointments that may be weeks out due to volume.
Q&A Highlights and Perspectives
Dream:
- Clarified date windows: agency said 8–13 or 8–15; contractors were told 8–11 for additional higher-rate contracts. Tony confirmed the distinction.
- On endless reasons to delay: Tony’s stance—he is not in control; exchanges occur when the administration (Trump) is satisfied and conditions align. Despite delays, he insists all prerequisites “have been done.”
Caller summarizer (male):
- Positive markers: ZIM on screens, VES at $0.37, ongoing selective payouts—banks wouldn’t pay for “worthless money.”
- Cabinet vote and rate pause: Noted Iraq articles about pausing other government business to revisit the rate Thursday; asked if that’s a smokescreen to finish ministers. Tony: Unknown, but plan remains vote Thursday, banks weekend.
Bus Lady:
- Why whales paid if public isn’t? Tony: Privilege tiers; Forex listing is the public trigger.
- On 1520 IQD/USD: Tony sees it as tactical to achieve dollar-hoarding and Iran isolation; expects a weekend revalue and an “international” announcement.
- 800 numbers origin: From Wells Fargo to Tony.
Danny in Dallas:
- Portfolio shifts: Traded IQD for VES previously; planned more VES purchases given screen rates and math.
- Personal finance logistics: Using Texas Currency Exchange and household considerations.
“Bless” (military/White House alumnus):
- Claimed receipt of significant bank yields on dinar deposits and savings vehicles at Wells Fargo, without spending any principal; reported 25%+ gains and special account promotions (numbers were his claims; Tony did not validate the bank programs).
- VES: Quoted $0.39 guidance; holds ~3B VES; expectation of substantial returns.
- Political note: Screens X followers; does not permit Trump supporters to follow due to policy disagreements.
Other callers:
- Mr. Woody: Took comfort that as long as Tony hosts, the event remains on track.
- Freddy: Short acknowledgment; will “see you on the side.”
- 18B VES holder: Asked about VES types (bolívar vs. digital). Tony: All variants are the same instrumentally; “Bless” was told he’d be paid at the soberano rate.
Key Takeaways
Operational posture:
- Multiple sources (IMF, bank contacts, federal monitors) conveyed that “the rate is live” in restricted channels and banks are processing select accounts.
- Iraq’s public devaluation (reported as 1520 IQD/USD) is framed by Tony as a deliberate pre‑RV tactic to starve Iran of dollars.
- The near-term window centers on Oct 8–15; the Thursday cabinet vote is seen as a gating milestone for a possible Saturday U.S. banking start.
Governance and geopolitics:
- Tony attributes ultimate timing control to Donald J. Trump in the current context, consistent with his narrative about executive power under prior presidents.
- Conflicting security narratives (domestic threats, UK base, NATO politics) circulate among bank briefings; Tony’s IMF/CIA contacts downplay their immediate impact.
Rates and instruments:
- ZIM and VES have concrete screen references this week ($0.37–0.39 for VES; ZIM ranges per 100T note). Tony asserts meaningful VND values and rising contractor rates for IQD.
- Tony’s thesis anticipates higher contractor rates in the next tranche and eventual public rates above current contractor figures.
What to Watch Next
- Iraq cabinet vote: Articles and official statements confirming completion of ministerial appointments on Thursday.
- Weekend bank activity: Any broad U.S. bank communications (800 numbers, appointment scheduling), particularly if Forex listings appear.
- Official rate publications: CBI changes, Forex visibility, and downstream bank screens.
- Security/geopolitical advisories: Any credible updates that could shift timing (UK base situation, domestic threat assessments, Saudi–Yemen progress, NATO developments).
Tone, Moderation, and Community Guidance
- Tony’s stance: Strongly confident, occasionally combative toward detractors (“fidiots”), and adamant that the process is real but not under his control.
- Participation tiers: Acknowledges privileged processing of whales and select lists; emphasizes patience and preparedness for retail participants.
- Strategy advice (Tony’s viewpoint): Use delays to fortify positions (e.g., acquiring more VES if math is favorable); anticipate shrinking access in later “baskets.”
Summary
Tony laid out a detailed timeline since Monday, combining reports from IMF, bank executives (Wells Fargo, Chase), federal monitors, and Iraq contacts. Despite the public devaluation in Iraq and pauses tied to cabinet completion, Tony frames these moves as part of a larger strategy—restricting dollar flows to Iran before a revaluation and international rate release. He asserts selective bank payouts continue, supports windows of Oct 8–15 with a pivotal Thursday vote, and a tentative plan to begin U.S. exchanges this weekend if the vote lands. Callers probed inconsistencies, practical steps, and specific currency plays (VES, ZIM, VND), with Tony maintaining that visible bank screen rates and ongoing private processing indicate momentum. The overarching message: “Hurry up and wait”—stay ready, verify articles and official postings, and expect mass participation only upon Forex visibility and formal bank instructions.
